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This is an excellent and deep question:
Is access to the means of production sufficient for existence or survival?

The short answer is:
Access to the means of production is not always sufficient, but it can be considered a necessary condition for long-term survival and autonomy in many political, economic, and philosophical frameworks—especially Marxist theory.

Let’s unpack this more carefully:

What Are the “Means of Production”?

In classical political economy (especially Marxism), the means of production include:

• Land and natural resources
• Tools, machines, and technology
• Infrastructure (factories, workshops, transportation, etc.)
• Raw materials used to produce goods

If you control or have access to these, you can produce what you need to survive—food, shelter, clothing, energy.

Is Access to the Means of Production Sufficient for Survival?

Not necessarily. Here’s why:

It’s a strong foundation, because:

• You can grow or produce your own food.
• You can generate goods or services to trade or sell.
• You gain economic independence—you aren’t totally reliant on employers or the market.

This is why land reform, worker ownership, or co-operative farming are often seen as ways to improve survival and dignity.

But…

It’s not always sufficient, because:

1. Knowledge and Skill Are Also Required

• Owning a farm means little if you don’t know how to grow crops.
• Technology without technical skill is useless.

Access without know-how = potential without power.

2. Social Conditions May Limit Its Use

• Governments or landlords may seize land.
• Markets may collapse, making it hard to trade goods.
• Environmental degradation may make production unsustainable.

3. Capital & Inputs Are Often Needed

• You may have land but not seeds, tools, or irrigation.
• Means of production can degrade or become obsolete without maintenance.

4. You’re Still Vulnerable to Structural Forces

• Global supply chains, war, climate change, disease, etc., can destroy even self-sustaining communities.
• Inequality or exploitation can persist even if you have some means of production.

Philosophical Viewpoints

◾ Marxist Theory

Marx argued that being alienated from the means of production forces workers to sell their labor to survive—this is the basis of exploitation.

For Marx, true human freedom requires collective ownership of the means of production—not just for survival, but for dignity and self-realization.

Anarchist/Socialist Views

• Emphasize decentralized, direct access to productive resources.
• See economic self-sufficiency as a precondition for freedom and non-domination.

Existentialist Take

• Even if you have access to the means of survival, life may still feel absurd or empty if you lack meaning, connection, or purpose.

Summary

Access to the means of production is often necessary, but not sufficient, for survival or full human flourishing.

You also need:

• Knowledge, skill, and education
• Stable institutions or freedom from coercion
• Cooperation and social infrastructure
• A livable environment
• Psychological and existential fulfillment

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Owenite communities in the 19th-century United States were utopian socialist experiments inspired by the ideas of Robert Owen, a Welsh industrialist and social reformer. These communities sought to create a new social order based on cooperation, communal living, and the abolition of private property, as a response to the perceived injustices and inequalities of industrial capitalism.

Key Aspects of Owenite Communities

1. Founding Vision:
   • Robert Owen believed that the moral character of individuals was shaped by their environment. He argued that a community organized around cooperation, shared property, and egalitarian principles would cultivate a more ethical and rational society.
   • Owen was particularly critical of the competitive and exploitative nature of capitalism, advocating instead for a society based on mutual aid and the collective ownership of resources.
2. The New Harmony Experiment (1825-1829):
   • The most famous Owenite community in the U.S. was New Harmony, established in 1825 in Indiana. Robert Owen purchased land previously owned by a religious sect called the Rappites.
   • New Harmony was intended to be a model for other communities, emphasizing education, scientific knowledge, and communal living. It sought to eliminate poverty, crime, and social strife through shared resources and decision-making.
   • Despite its ambitious goals, New Harmony faced internal disagreements, lack of clear leadership, and economic difficulties. It dissolved by 1829, though it left a lasting impact on future social reform movements.
3. Structure and Principles:
   • Owenite communities emphasized collective ownership of land and goods, aiming to eliminate the need for money or profit-driven incentives.
   • Labor was to be distributed according to ability, with each member contributing to the community’s welfare.
   • Communities were often democratically governed, with decision-making through councils or general assemblies.
   • Education was a central focus, emphasizing practical knowledge, science, and moral development without religious dogma.
4. Influence and Legacy:
   • While New Harmony was the most notable, other smaller Owenite-inspired communities were founded in the U.S., including in Ohio and New York.
   • The Owenite movement had a significant influence on American labor movements and later socialist and communist ideologies.
   • Owen’s ideas about education and communal living laid the groundwork for public education reforms and cooperative movements.
   • Owenism introduced ideas like the labor theory of value and early versions of women’s rights advocacy, including greater access to education and the idea of gender equality within the community.
5. Challenges and Decline:
   • Owenite communities faced several challenges, such as economic self-sufficiency, conflicts over governance, and differing visions among members about communal practices.
   • The lack of skilled labor, difficulties in producing enough food, and external pressure from capitalist systems contributed to the decline of many Owenite experiments.
   • Many of these communities were short-lived, often dissolving within a few years due to practical difficulties and ideological splits.
6. Cultural and Social Impact:
   • Owenite communities sparked debates about social reform, the role of property, and the organization of labor, influencing broader utopian socialism and anarchist thought.
   • The focus on education, secular morality, and rationalism became a part of progressive movements in the 19th century.
   • Even though they largely failed as self-sustaining communities, Owenite experiments provided a blueprint for later cooperative ventures and intentional communities, such as the Fourierist and Icarian movements.

Overall Assessment

Owenite communities in 19th-century America were ambitious but ultimately unsuccessful attempts to create a cooperative society free from the inequities of capitalism. Despite their failures, they were a crucial early expression of socialist thought in the U.S., influencing later labor and social justice movements.

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You said:

List these Owenite communities

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Here are some of the notable Owenite communities established in the 19th-century United States:

1. New Harmony (Indiana, 1825-1829):

• Founder: Robert Owen
• Overview: The most famous and ambitious of the Owenite communities. It was intended as a model for a new society based on cooperative living, shared property, and egalitarian principles. Despite initial enthusiasm, New Harmony struggled with internal disagreements and economic challenges, leading to its dissolution within four years.
• Significance: It left a lasting legacy on educational reforms and social movements in the U.S.

2. Yellow Springs Community (Ohio, 1825):

• Founder: Robert Owen and his son, Robert Dale Owen
• Overview: A small community in Ohio that followed the principles of New Harmony. It was another short-lived experiment that faced similar problems of organizational and economic sustainability.
• Significance: Despite its brief existence, it contributed to the spread of Owenite ideas in Ohio.

3. Kendal Community (Ohio, 1826-1829):

• Founder: Owenite settlers inspired by Robert Owen’s ideas
• Overview: Located near present-day Massillon, Ohio, Kendal was organized around cooperative labor and communal living. However, disputes over governance and the division of labor led to its dissolution within a few years.
• Significance: Kendal was a notable attempt to establish a self-sustaining community, but like New Harmony, it struggled with practical challenges.

4. Nashoba Community (Tennessee, 1825-1828):

• Founder: Frances Wright (a close associate of Robert Owen)
• Overview: Nashoba was an Owenite-inspired community with a unique focus: it aimed to demonstrate the feasibility of racial integration and to provide a path to freedom for enslaved people through communal labor. The community faced severe challenges, including conflicts over leadership and harsh living conditions, leading to its early collapse.
• Significance: It was one of the first intentional communities in the U.S. to address issues of race and slavery, despite its failure.

5. The Valley Forge Community (Pennsylvania, 1826-1827):

• Founder: George Rapp, sold the land to Robert Owen’s followers
• Overview: An Owenite-inspired community that sought to replicate the New Harmony experiment in Pennsylvania. Like many other Owenite efforts, it faced difficulties with attracting skilled labor and maintaining economic stability.
• Significance: It illustrated the challenges of scaling up Owenite ideals in different regions of the U.S.

6. Haverstraw Bay (New York, 1826-1827):

• Founder: Robert Owen’s followers
• Overview: An Owenite settlement established along the Hudson River, aiming to implement the ideals of communal living and shared property. It was short-lived, facing similar issues as other communities, including internal disagreements and financial sustainability.
• Significance: Part of the broader movement of Owenite communities attempting to spread cooperative ideas in the Northeast.

7. The Licking Company (Ohio, 1826-1827):

• Founder: Robert Owen’s son, William Owen
• Overview: Another attempt to establish a self-sufficient cooperative community in Ohio. Despite some initial success, the community struggled with practical management issues and disbanded after a brief period.
• Significance: The Licking Company was part of the larger Ohio-based Owenite movement, demonstrating both the promise and pitfalls of communal experiments.

Common Challenges Across Owenite Communities

• Internal Disagreements: Many communities faced ideological splits among members about how to implement communal practices.
• Economic Viability: Most Owenite communities struggled to become self-sustaining due to poor management, lack of skilled labor, and external economic pressures.
• Organizational Difficulties: The absence of clear leadership or unified goals often led to disputes and fragmentation.

Impact and Legacy

While most of the Owenite communities were short-lived, they played a significant role in the history of American utopian experiments, influencing later intentional communities and cooperative movements. These efforts also contributed to the development of progressive ideas in education, labor rights, and social reform.

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What about Rappists?

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The Rappists, also known as the Harmonists or Harmony Society, were a German-American religious communal group led by George Rapp, a charismatic preacher from Württemberg, Germany. They established a series of successful utopian communities in the United States during the early 19th century, distinguished by their communal living, industriousness, and religious devotion.

Key Aspects of the Rappists

1. Founding Vision:
   • The Rappists were a group of Lutheran separatists who sought religious freedom and a chance to build a society based on their interpretation of Christian teachings. They emphasized pietism, communal ownership, celibacy, and strict religious observance.
   • George Rapp preached that the end of the world was imminent, and the community was to live a life of purity, simplicity, and dedication to preparing for Christ’s return.
   • In their communities, they practiced a form of Christian communalism, where property and resources were shared, and economic activities were centrally managed.
2. Major Rappist Communities:
   • The Rappists established three major settlements in the United States:A. Harmony, Pennsylvania (1805-1814):
     • Location: Butler County, Pennsylvania
     • Overview: This was the first settlement of the Rappists in America, established shortly after their emigration from Germany. The community prospered through agriculture, milling, and manufacturing, quickly becoming self-sufficient and economically successful.
     • Significance: The town was a well-organized, self-contained community that demonstrated the viability of communal living. In 1814, the group sold the land and moved west to find better agricultural opportunities.
     B. New Harmony, Indiana (1814-1824):
     • Location: Along the Wabash River, Indiana
     • Overview: The Rappists established their second settlement in Indiana, calling it New Harmony. This location allowed them to expand their agricultural and industrial operations, and they continued to thrive economically.
     • Significance: New Harmony was known for its well-developed industries, including textile manufacturing, brewing, and farming. In 1824, George Rapp decided to sell the community to Robert Owen, who attempted to establish his own utopian community there, marking a transition from religious communalism to secular socialism.
     C. Economy, Pennsylvania (1824-1906):
     • Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
     • Overview: After selling New Harmony, the Rappists moved back east and founded the town of Economy (now Ambridge, Pennsylvania). This was their most enduring settlement, where they continued to practice their communal way of life.
     • Significance: Economy became famous for its industriousness, with the community excelling in textile manufacturing, winemaking, and trade. The society reached its economic peak during this period, amassing wealth and becoming a respected economic power.
3. Organization and Beliefs:
   • The Rappists practiced celibacy, believing that abstaining from marriage and sexual relations was necessary to maintain spiritual purity.
   • The community was hierarchical, with George Rapp as the unquestioned spiritual leader, guiding both religious practices and economic decisions.
   • Communal living was central to their way of life, with all property owned collectively and each member contributing to the community’s labor force.
   • Rappists believed in self-sufficiency, producing their own food, clothing, and other necessities. They became known for their high-quality goods, including wool, wine, and furniture.
4. Economic Success:
   • Unlike many other utopian communities of the time, the Rappists were highly economically successful, thanks to their industrious nature and skilled craftsmanship.
   • Their success was based on a strong work ethic, efficient organization, and the ability to adapt to market demands while maintaining a closed community.
5. Challenges and Decline:
   • The practice of celibacy led to a declining population, as no new members were born into the society. The community relied on recruitment, but this became increasingly difficult over time.
   • After George Rapp’s death in 1847, leadership struggles and internal disagreements began to weaken the community.
   • By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the population dwindled, and the society eventually dissolved in 1906, with its remaining assets divided among the last surviving members.
6. Impact and Legacy:
   • The Rappists were one of the most successful and long-lasting of the American communal groups, demonstrating that religiously motivated communal living could be economically viable.
   • Their emphasis on high-quality manufacturing, particularly in textiles and other goods, set a standard for craftsmanship.
   • Although their religious and celibate lifestyle limited their long-term sustainability, they left behind a legacy of well-planned communities and an example of successful utopianism.

Overall Assessment

The Rappists were unique among 19th-century utopian communities for their economic success, religious fervor, and commitment to celibacy. They contrasted sharply with other utopian experiments like the Owenites, who focused on secular cooperation rather than religious motivations. The Rappists’ ability to maintain a stable, prosperous community for nearly a century makes them one of the more enduring and impactful examples of American utopianism.

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You said:

What other communistic societies were successful in the US?

ChatGPT said:

Several other communistic or communal societies in the U.S. found relative success, particularly in the 18th and 19th centuries. These communities often shared property, emphasized cooperation over competition, and practiced various forms of communal living. Here are some of the most notable examples:

1. The Shakers (United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing)

• Founded: 1770s in England; came to America in 1774, with significant growth in the early 19th century.
• Leader: Ann Lee (also known as “Mother Ann”)
• Overview: The Shakers were a religious community that emphasized celibacy, communal living, pacifism, and a simple lifestyle. They believed in equality between the sexes and practiced a form of communal ownership, where all property was shared.
• Success: At their peak in the mid-19th century, the Shakers had over 20 communities across the United States, with thousands of members. They became known for their high-quality craftsmanship, particularly in furniture, agriculture, and inventions.
• Challenges: Their commitment to celibacy meant they relied on converts to sustain their population. As recruitment declined, so did their numbers, but some Shaker communities still exist today, making them one of the longest-lasting communal societies in U.S. history.
• Legacy: The Shakers left a significant impact on American design, architecture, and agriculture, with their innovative tools and functional yet elegant furniture still highly regarded.

2. The Amana Colonies

• Founded: 1855 in Iowa, but originally formed in Germany in the early 18th century as the Community of True Inspiration.
• Overview: The Amana Colonies were founded by German immigrants seeking religious freedom and a communal way of life based on their beliefs. They practiced communal ownership of property, worked collectively in agriculture and manufacturing, and followed a strict, pious lifestyle centered around their faith.
• Success: The Amana Colonies thrived economically, especially in agriculture and manufacturing. They created high-quality goods like woolens, furniture, and household products. Their cooperative economic model and communal way of life persisted until 1932.
• Challenges: The Great Depression and the changing American economy led the Amana Colonies to transition to a more capitalist economic model in 1932, though the community continued to value cooperation.
• Legacy: The Amana Colonies are now a popular tourist destination, preserving their unique cultural and historical heritage. The community successfully transitioned from a communal society to a corporation that still values cooperation.

3. The Hutterites

• Founded: In the 16th century in Europe; migrated to the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
• Overview: The Hutterites are a religious Anabaptist group that practices strict communal living based on their interpretation of Christian teachings. They emphasize agricultural and industrial self-sufficiency, living in colonies of around 60 to 150 people.
• Success: The Hutterites are one of the most enduring communal societies, with a high degree of economic success in farming and manufacturing. They use advanced agricultural techniques and cooperative labor to maintain prosperity.
• Challenges: While the Hutterites have remained economically stable, they face challenges related to modernity and maintaining their traditional ways in a rapidly changing world. However, they have continued to thrive due to their adaptability.
• Legacy: The Hutterites are still active today, with over 500 colonies in North America, mostly in the U.S. and Canada, making them one of the longest-lasting and most successful communal groups.

4. The Oneida Community

• Founded: 1848 in Oneida, New York
• Leader: John Humphrey Noyes
• Overview: The Oneida Community was a religious communal society that practiced “complex marriage” (where all members were considered to be married to each other), communal child-rearing, and shared property. They emphasized the perfectionist idea that humans could achieve spiritual perfection in this life.
• Success: The Oneida Community was economically successful, particularly through the production of silverware, animal traps, and other goods. They became well-known for their high-quality products.
• Challenges: Internal conflicts over marriage practices and leadership, as well as external pressure from broader society, led to the dissolution of the communal living aspect in 1881. However, their economic ventures, especially in silverware manufacturing, continued.
• Legacy: The Oneida silverware brand persisted well into the 20th century and remains a recognized name. The community’s experiment in social structures and cooperative labor has left a lasting mark on American utopian thought.

5. The Ephrata Cloister

• Founded: 1732 in Pennsylvania
• Leader: Johann Conrad Beissel
• Overview: The Ephrata Cloister was a semi-monastic religious community that practiced communal living, celibacy, and strict asceticism. The members devoted themselves to prayer, music, and religious study, while also producing textiles, paper, and other goods.
• Success: The Cloister was economically self-sufficient, producing high-quality paper, books, and textiles, and becoming a center for spiritual music and printing.
• Challenges: Declining membership due to its celibate lifestyle led to the community’s decline in the late 18th century, but it survived in a reduced form until the mid-19th century.
• Legacy: The Ephrata Cloister is now a preserved historical site, reflecting the early German-American religious communal experience and their contributions to early American culture.

6. Brook Farm

• Founded: 1841 in West Roxbury, Massachusetts
• Leader: George Ripley
• Overview: Brook Farm was a transcendentalist community that sought to combine manual labor with intellectual pursuits. It was inspired by the ideas of transcendentalism and sought to create a balance between physical labor, intellectual development, and social equality.
• Success: Brook Farm attracted prominent intellectuals like Ralph Waldo Emerson, Nathaniel Hawthorne, and Margaret Fuller. It was known for its progressive education system and efforts to integrate intellectual and manual labor.
• Challenges: Financial difficulties, a failed attempt to reorganize as a Fourierist phalanx (a type of utopian communal structure), and internal disagreements led to its collapse in 1847.
• Legacy: Although short-lived, Brook Farm was influential in American literature and philosophy, and its ideals contributed to the broader social reform movements of the 19th century.

7. The Icarians

• Founded: 1848 in Illinois, with origins in France led by Étienne Cabet.
• Overview: The Icarians were inspired by Cabet’s utopian novel Voyage en Icarie, seeking to establish a communal society based on equality, shared property, and rationalism. They settled in Nauvoo, Illinois, and later in various locations like Iowa and California.
• Success: The Icarians were relatively successful for several decades, with flourishing agricultural activities and communal enterprises. They emphasized education, secularism, and democratic decision-making.
• Challenges: Internal divisions over governance and ideology, along with economic difficulties, led to the community’s fragmentation. The last Icarian settlement dissolved in 1898.
• Legacy: The Icarian movement was one of the longest-lasting secular communal experiments in the U.S., emphasizing ideals of equality and cooperation.

Overall Assessment

While many of these communities eventually dissolved or transitioned to different organizational forms, their successes and longevity varied. The economic prosperity of groups like the Hutterites and the Amana Colonies, as well as the cultural impact of communities like the Shakers and Oneida, demonstrate that religious and secular communistic societies could thrive under the right conditions, leaving a profound influence on American social, economic, and cultural history.

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When Marx and Engels referred to “utopian socialism,” they were not specifically targeting the intentional communities in the United States, though those communities were part of the broader phenomenon they critiqued. Instead, they had in mind a variety of early socialist thinkers and movements, primarily European, who advocated for socialism through idealistic, often non-revolutionary means. These figures included thinkers like:

1. Charles Fourier – Known for proposing self-sustaining communities called “Phalansteries,” which would operate on cooperative principles.
2. Henri de Saint-Simon – Emphasized the idea of a planned society led by industrialists and scientists, with a focus on improving the welfare of all.
3. Robert Owen – A British industrialist who created model communities, such as New Lanark in Scotland and later attempted similar projects in the United States, like New Harmony in Indiana.

Marx and Engels critiqued these “utopian socialists” because they believed their approach was too idealistic and failed to address the material conditions and class struggles that, according to Marx and Engels, were the true engines of historical change. They saw the utopians as attempting to create socialism through moral persuasion and small-scale experiments, rather than through a mass movement rooted in the working class and economic realities.

The intentional communities in the U.S., like those inspired by Fourier and Owen, were certainly part of the trend of utopian socialism, and Marx and Engels were aware of them. However, their primary critique was directed at the theoretical and philosophical foundations of utopian socialism, which they felt lacked a scientific understanding of historical materialism and class dynamics. They contrasted “utopian socialism” with their own “scientific socialism,” which emphasized the role of class struggle and economic forces in achieving social change.

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Didn’t the intentional communities in the US call rhemselves Owenite or Fourinite?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, many of the intentional communities in the United States did identify as Owenite or Fourierist (often called “Fourierite”). These communities were directly inspired by the ideas of Robert Owen and Charles Fourier, and they attempted to implement their visions of cooperative and egalitarian living. Here’s a bit more detail:

1. Owenite Communities:
   • Followers of Robert Owen, called “Owenites,” sought to create communities based on cooperative labor, communal ownership, and egalitarian principles.
   • One of the most famous Owenite experiments in the U.S. was New Harmony, Indiana, which was founded by Owen himself in 1825. Although it eventually failed due to practical challenges, it was an influential early attempt at communal living.
   • Owen’s followers in America established various other small communities inspired by his ideas.
2. Fourierist Communities (Fourierites):
   • Inspired by Charles Fourier, Fourierists in the United States sought to create self-sufficient, cooperative communities known as Phalanxes or Phalansteries, based on Fourier’s concept of harmonious living.
   • In the 1840s, several Fourierist communities were established in the U.S., including Brook Farm in Massachusetts (initially a Transcendentalist community that later adopted Fourierist ideas) and the North American Phalanx in New Jersey.
   • These communities sought to overcome the competitive and alienating aspects of capitalism through cooperative labor and shared resources, following Fourier’s detailed guidelines for social organization.

While these communities did not represent the entirety of utopian socialism, they were concrete manifestations of the ideals critiqued by Marx and Engels. The founders and members of these communities explicitly linked themselves to the ideas of Owen and Fourier, giving rise to the terms “Owenite” and “Fourierite.” This link illustrates why Marx and Engels associated such movements with “utopian socialism”—they were seen as idealistic experiments that did not address the underlying capitalist structure or advocate for a broader revolutionary change.

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