chatGPT on Anarchism

I want to characterize ananarchism so that it fits all. It seems that all want to recect a central government whixh does not rely on a bottom-up structure—though a bottom-up federal structure is acceptable. Nevertheless the unit of organization must be small, let us say 150 members. Anarchist say they reject government. But this is ambiguous. A government may be imposed from outside the community, or from within. Government by consensus is ok. The matter of economics is variable, and depends on thw wishes of the community. Is this an adequte charaterization of ananarchism? What am I missing?

ChatGPT said:

Your characterization of anarchism captures several core principles, but there are nuances worth exploring to provide a more comprehensive understanding.

1. Rejection of Hierarchical Authority

Anarchism fundamentally opposes coercive authority and hierarchical structures, particularly those imposed by the state. Anarchists advocate for stateless societies organized through voluntary, non-hierarchical associations. ​Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3

2. Emphasis on Voluntary Association and Consensus

Anarchists support decision-making processes that are inclusive and non-coercive. Consensus decision-making is often favored, aiming for solutions that all members can accept, rather than majority rule. ​The Anarchist Library

3. Preference for Small-Scale, Localized Organization

While there’s no strict rule, anarchist models often emphasize small, manageable communities to facilitate direct participation. The number 150 aligns with Dunbar’s number, suggesting a cognitive limit to stable social relationships, which some anarchists consider when organizing communities.​

4. Diverse Economic Practices

Anarchist economic models are diverse and adaptable to community preferences. Some favor decentralized planning, where communities determine their needs and organize production accordingly. Others may adopt gift economies, mutual aid, or market-based approaches, provided they align with anarchist principles of voluntary association and opposition to exploitation.​Reddit

5. Flexibility and Diversity

Anarchism is not a monolithic ideology; it encompasses various schools of thought, including anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, mutualism, and anarcho-capitalism. Each interprets anarchist principles differently, especially concerning economic organization and property relations. ​

6. Critique of Capitalism

Many anarchists critique capitalism for perpetuating inequality and coercive hierarchies. They argue that capitalism, like the state, imposes authority through economic means, and thus, a truly anarchist society would need to address both political and economic forms of domination. ​

7. Importance of Education and Culture

Anarchists often emphasize the role of education and cultural practices in fostering autonomy, critical thinking, and mutual respect. They advocate for educational systems that are non-hierarchical and promote self-directed learning.​

8. Environmental Considerations

Some anarchist perspectives incorporate ecological concerns, advocating for sustainable living and harmony with the natural world. This eco-anarchism emphasizes decentralized, community-based approaches to environmental stewardship.​

In summary, your characterization aligns with several anarchist principles, particularly the emphasis on voluntary association, consensus decision-making, and localized organization. However, acknowledging the diversity within anarchist thought and its critiques of both political and economic hierarchies can provide a more nuanced understanding.

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Is anarchism the most just way to organize society?

ChatGPT said:

That depends on what you mean by “just” and how you define “anarchism.”

If justice means the maximization of autonomy and voluntary cooperation while minimizing coercion, then anarchism—particularly in its classical or left-libertarian forms—could be considered the most just system. It rejects hierarchical authority and seeks to organize society through mutual aid, voluntary associations, and decentralized decision-making. Thinkers like Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin, and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon argued that hierarchical power structures inherently lead to injustice and that true freedom can only be achieved through self-governance.

However, if justice is defined in terms of stability, enforceable rights, or the ability to mediate conflicts effectively, then anarchism faces serious challenges. Critics argue that without some centralized authority, large-scale coordination becomes difficult, and power vacuums may lead to new forms of domination. Even within anarchist traditions, there are debates about whether informal hierarchies can still emerge, leading to inequalities of power.

Given your view that morality is based on voluntary agreements and that irreconcilable conflicts result in “war,” anarchism might be appealing in that it emphasizes voluntary participation. However, it also raises the question of whether large-scale cooperation and enforcement mechanisms can exist without some form of imposed authority. Do you think a decentralized system could handle disputes and conflicts without reverting to force?

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consider a hierachical federation of small communities as an answer

ChatGPT said:

A hierarchical federation of small communities could address some of the weaknesses of pure anarchism while preserving a commitment to voluntary agreements and decentralized governance. This kind of structure appears in various anarchist and libertarian socialist traditions, particularly in Proudhon’s federalism and some interpretations of syndicalism.

Strengths:

  1. Local Autonomy – Small communities retain self-governance, allowing individuals to participate directly in decision-making.
  2. Scalability – The hierarchical federation enables coordination across larger territories without a centralized state.
  3. Conflict Resolution – Disputes can be handled at the smallest possible level, with higher federative levels acting as arbiters when necessary.
  4. Flexibility – Different communities can experiment with various social, economic, and legal systems while still cooperating on mutual concerns.
  5. Reduction of Coercion – Since participation is voluntary, people can move between communities that align with their values, reducing the need for coercive enforcement.

Weaknesses:

  1. Potential for Hierarchical Drift – The federative structure, even if initially voluntary, might accumulate power at higher levels over time, reintroducing coercion.
  2. Enforcement Issues – Without a centralized authority, enforcing agreements between communities could be difficult, potentially leading to conflicts that escalate into force.
  3. Unequal Development – Wealthier or more resource-rich communities might gain disproportionate influence, leading to de facto hierarchies.
  4. Exit Problems – If moving between communities is costly or impractical, voluntary association may become constrained in practice.

This model is somewhat similar to historical examples like the Hanseatic League, certain indigenous confederations, or even medieval city-state networks. It also resonates with modern decentralized political theories like confederal municipalism (Murray Bookchin) or panarchism.

Given your views on voluntary agreements and the role of “war” in irreconcilable disputes, how would such a federation handle cases where a community violates its agreements but refuses arbitration? Would force be a legitimate means of enforcement at the federative level?

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if a community refuses to follow a federal agreement, why not let it secede

ChatGPT said:

Letting a community secede aligns well with your emphasis on voluntary agreements and autonomy. If participation in the hierarchical federation is truly voluntary, then secession should always be an option—otherwise, the federation risks becoming coercive. This approach would prevent conflicts over enforcement and ensure that communities remain in the federation only as long as they find it beneficial.

Benefits of Allowing Secession:

  1. Maintains Voluntarism – Communities remain members of the federation by choice rather than force, ensuring legitimacy.
  2. Avoids Coercion – No need for federal enforcement mechanisms that could evolve into centralized authority.
  3. Encourages Fair Agreements – If a federation becomes exploitative or inefficient, communities can leave, creating pressure for just governance.
  4. Promotes Diversity – Different communities can experiment with alternative social, economic, and legal systems without external imposition.

Challenges of Secession:

  1. Shared Infrastructure Issues – If a community relies on shared resources (e.g., transportation networks, defense, currency), secession could create disputes over usage rights.
  2. Security Concerns – If a community secedes and later becomes hostile, would the federation have the right to intervene?
  3. Economic Dependencies – Communities that depend on trade or cooperative ventures within the federation might face difficulties post-secession.
  4. Precedent for Fragmentation – If secession becomes frequent, the federation might dissolve entirely, making long-term cooperation difficult.

Handling Secession Conflicts

If a community’s departure harms others (e.g., by defaulting on obligations, disrupting shared projects, or seceding for exploitative reasons), the federation could:

  • Negotiate transitional agreements (e.g., phased withdrawal, compensation for shared investments).
  • Establish arbitration mechanisms to resolve disputes without force.
  • Allow communities to form new federations rather than forcing them into a single system.

This structure mirrors historical models like the Swiss Confederation’s loose federation, or even Proudhon’s concept of a decentralized “contractual federalism.” It also resonates with panarchist ideas, where multiple overlapping federations coexist, and people can “exit” systems freely.

Would you envision any limits to secession, or should communities be able to leave at any time for any reason, regardless of the consequences?

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Mykita Shapoval, “MIKHAILO DRAGOMANOV, AS THE IDEOLOGIST OF NEW UKRAINE,” 1930

MIKHAILO DRAGOMANOV, “Selected Works. Collection of Political Works with Notes” Vol.1, ed. Pavlo Bohatsky, Prague 1937.

MIKHAILO DRAGOMANOV, AS THE IDEOLOGIST OF NEW UKRAINE

(On the occasion of the 35th anniversary of his death and the 50th anniversary of the program of Ukrainian socialism)

Introduction

On June 20 of this year, it will be 35 years since Mykhailo Drahomanov passed away forever, and on September 6 of this year, it will be 50 years since the first program of Ukrainian socialism was created by Drahomanov and Podolynsky and signed by them on September 1, 1880. A great span of time separates us from these historical moments, but are we far from these ideals and thoughts today? Has the situation of the Ukrainian people changed so much that we could say today that both Drahomanov and his program have passed into history and lost their relevance for us? Should we only remember and honor Drahomanov, or should we learn from him and emulate him? Answers to such questions can only be obtained by comparing the current state of Ukraine with the situation 50 years ago when Drahomanov lived and worked, as well as by comparing Drahomanov’s science with modern Ukrainian ideologies and critically evaluating these ideologies. Having completed such work, we could properly establish the historical and societal value of Drahomanov’s work with due respect.

IV.Sociological Views of Drahomanov

  1. Drahomanov’s Social Program Based on the “Foreword to Hromada” and other writings of Drahomanov, S. Podolinsky formulated the program of the first socialist Ukrainian circle, which adopted it in the following edition (I will only provide the points): “These are our thoughts and desires: In political matters, we desire: Equal rights for every person, both men and young men, and women and girls of every race. Unquestionable freedom of speech, press, and science, assemblies, and societies. Unobstructed self-government (autonomy) for each community in its affairs. Full independence for the free association (federation) of communities throughout Ukraine” (Program 1880, p. 148.) This section of the program includes an explanation: what should be considered Ukraine (the entire ethnographic territory from the Tisza to the Kuban, from the Narew River to the Black Sea); about the social structure of Ukraine (foreigners are the ruling classes in Ukraine, and Ukrainians — the oppressed classes of peasants and workers); from this, it follows that the national liberation of Ukrainians is a social matter; further about the rights of foreign laboring masses, finally explained: “The independence (autonomy) of the political community, in our opinion, is the will of each community to recognize itself as part of a nation and join the union to which it itself wishes, as well as the firm determination to arrange all matters among themselves and all their relations with other communities in their own way” (ibid., p. 149). Drahomanovites believed that “working foreigners will be for Ukrainians links that will tie them to all neighboring nationalities, with whom Ukrainians must join into a great international free union (international federation)” (emphasis added — M. Sh.) (ibid., p. 149). Thus, in the program, we have the postulate of Ukraine’s independence and unity as a necessary precondition for equal rights among nations, which must enter into a free international union. For modern Drahomanovites, these postulates are mandatory if they want to be Drahomanovite socialists. The socialist method of resolving the national issue guarantees the freedom and welfare of individuals, communities, and nations, while the bourgeois method of “resolving” the national issue is the ignition of national antagonisms, a path to war. Examples of national states built on the bourgeois-chauvinistic method are contemporary Poland, Romania, and Czechoslovakia. Would Ukrainian workers and peasants want to create a state like Poland and others? This is the central question of Ukrainian emancipatory national politics. Let us proceed further in examining the program: [42] In economic matters, we desire: That all natural forces and instruments necessary for obtaining useful things for people, such as land, water with everything in it, machines, factories, etc., be simply in the hands of farming and worker communities and that people would not have to sell their labor to masters and wealthy people but work simply for themselves. We believe that collective or communal ownership and collective, communal labor are much more beneficial to people than individual ownership; furthermore, we think, that the manner in which to change individual ownership (personal property, homeland) into communal, and further, how to organize joint labor and how to divide the proceeds from it, must depend on the goodwill of each society and each community. Certainly, experimentation and practice (practice) with economic needs will teach individual communities not only cooperation in labor (cooperation) and rational distribution of proceeds among themselves, but also among communities of entire regions and across the whole world” (ibid., pp. 149-150). This briefly, but clearly outlined socialist economic program constitutes the basis of socialism. Its main feature: socialist economy is based on one’s own labor, without hired labor! Workers are simultaneously managers of enterprises, cooperated within themselves and cooperated among themselves. Whoever does not understand this law of socialism, established by Fourier, Proudhon, Marx, Engels, and Drahomanov, does not understand what socialism is, or pretends not to understand, as, for example, Moscow Bolsheviks. Let’s reflect: socialism demands collective, common ownership of those who themselves work in enterprises or on the land, but in the USSR, it’s not so: the land, factories, railways, etc., belong not to working communities but to the state. From this arises an important consequence: workers are forced to sell their labor to state enterprises. Hence, labor in the USSR is hired labor, just as in the entire capitalist world. And the economic system of the USSR is called state capitalism even by the Bolsheviks themselves. Capitalism – whether private or state – is still capitalism – that is, a system of exploiting hired labor. It’s not workers’ and farmers’ associations and communities that manage labor in enterprises and on the land, but the state, i.e., an organization of officials connected by authority from top to bottom, while socialism is an organization built from bottom to top. The Drahomanovite program is maximalist, the farthest left; it is a program of complete, as you see, social revolution, but it opposes what the Bolsheviks did. The Bolshevik regime is not socialist because it is based on the exploitation of hired labor. This is why Ukrainian socialists fight against Bolshevism. But this is not yet the entire reason for the struggle. Because state [43] capitalism is a system built from top to bottom through appointments of officials, not elections of officials who command armies, police, espionage, and economically keep the laboring masses dependent, therefore on Ukraine, peasants and workers did not come to power; authority was appointed from Moscow Hill from those loyal to Moscow, to the government – the Ukrainian people ended up in captivity, unable to govern themselves. Ukraine became a colony of Moscow. The struggle, thus, is inevitable. “In educational (cultural) matters, we desire: The growth of empirical (positive) science about natural and societal things, as well as skills, tied to that science. We believe: That such science and skills (verbal arts, theater, painting, carving, music) will completely replace current beliefs, through which people have fought and continue to fight among themselves. Until this happens through free science and preaching, we believe that every person and society must be allowed the freedom to adhere to whatever faith they wish, with the provision that adherents of each faith (Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.) and each brotherhood (Stundists, Shaloputs, etc.) maintain their churches and priests at their own expense, and no public taxes or public labor should be spent on this, and everyone would give to this voluntarily when they wish” (ibid., p. 150). This cultural program is very brief; it discusses only three matters – science, art, and religion. There is no mention of schooling and education, and even the language in which to develop science in Ukraine is not mentioned, but from other works of Drahomanov, we know about this in detail. The program then presents the main tactical principle of Ukrainian socialism: “In engaging in writing, we thereby show that we do not shy away from peaceful labor and public progress forward (progress). In the meantime, we do not harbor vain hopes. Nowhere and never have fundamental changes in public life occurred solely through peaceful progress. In Ukraine, perhaps even less than elsewhere, can one hope that authorities and the gentry will willingly relinquish their dominance, and thus the common people in Ukraine cannot do without armed struggle and uprising (revolution). Only this uprising will transfer into the hands of farming and workers’ communities and societies the natural forces and tools necessary for acquisition. But so that the old gentry estates and authorities cannot afterward seize back into their hands any of the public goods and restore their dominance, it is necessary, at the first opportunity, to abolish the state army and establish community Cossacks (militia), in which every citizen would have weapons and know how to handle them” (ibid., p. 150). [44] Thus: the program of Ukrainian socialism indicates that the path to liberation is a social revolution. Drahomanov envisions the consolidation of the socialist order in Ukraine as follows: “Such (socialist – M. Sh.) orders can exist fully only in one country when they prevail worldwide because only then will there be a complete cessation of the need for warriors and merchants, from whom everywhere originates dominion and wealth, and consequently, governance. For such orders to prevail, there must also be no priesthood and faith from which priesthood arises, because priesthood is also dominion and governance, and faith breeds discord among people” (“Foreword,” p. 116). Thus, for Drahomanov, it is clear that the success of a socialist revolution in one country is contingent upon its success globally, hence Drahomanov advances the postulate of a global social revolution. From this, it is evident that Drahomanov’s international policy is based on internationalism (he calls it both cosmopolitanism and internationalism). Hence, the postulate of an international federation, to which Drahomanov envisions the path through Eastern European and then Slavic federations, in which Ukraine would be an independent, free union of communities. Drahomanov refers to his ideology alternately as Ukrainian populism, Ukrainian socialism, federal socialism, or international socialism. These terms require analysis to correctly interpret Drahomanov’s science. Central ideas of Drahomanov: the freedom and welfare of the individual, equality, socialism, federalism. What is a federation according to Drahomanov? It is an equal and free association of persons – a community; an association of mono-national communities – a “state”; a free association of national “states” – the International. Thus, a federation is a relationship of brotherhood based on freedom. A society founded on the principle of free association, common ownership, and common labor – socialism. Federation is a method of uniting people from bottom to top. All of Drahomanov’s federalism is sociological, ensuring Ukraine’s autonomy within a reconciled community of nations. Such federalism has nothing in common with that discussed by the bourgeoisie, Bolsheviks, and agitators for Russian or Polish federation. To his work “Nations of Eastern Europe and International Socialism,” Drahomanov took a motto from Proudhon: Qui dit liberte; federation, on ne dit rien. Qui dit socialisme, dit; on ne dit de nouveau rien. (Proudhon: Du principe federatif…) Thus: Whoever says freedom, says federation, or says nothing. Whoever says socialism, says federation, or says nothing new. [45] VII. Revolution and Evolution The transformation of the current social system into a socialist one, according to Drahomanov, is a protracted matter. Although the transfer of ownership of land and means of production from private hands to society (to communities and associations) can only occur through armed uprising (revolution), however, the restructuring of social relations can only happen through diligent cultural-economic labor, both before and after the revolution. Drahomanov bases this on general scientific data about development in nature and society. This development – evolution. The principle of evolution underlies Drahomanov’s worldview. In his autobiography, Drahomanov says: “Being a socialist in my ideals, I am convinced that the realization of this ideal is possible only in a certain gradualness and with the high development of the masses, through which and mostly achievable by spiritual propaganda rather than bloody uprisings” (see p. 75). In the “Foreword to Hromada,” we find an explanation of these words: … “we think that giving too much importance to uprisings, and even believing that the great fundamental change in all social and economic orders, which is called ‘social revolution,’ can become the business of one great uprising, even in one large country, shows the habit of thinking more about state affairs than about social and economic ones. This habit rooted itself in literate people during those times when people placed in state governments… thought they could turn life and even the thoughts and customs of thousands and millions of people from above as they pleased. Such state thoughts went hand in hand with the then stable science of nature, the science that long taught that God performs miracles in the world, and then when it got to the point of seeing order in the change of everything in the world, it still thought about rapid changes, about revolutions in the earthly world – Geuvolution (new creation). In the XIX century, there were many uprisings – and not one of them managed to fundamentally change not only social and economic orders but even state orders. More recent times and natural sciences, geology and biology, have shown how slowly all changes go in the world and replaced the word Geuvolution with the word Evolution (unfolding, growth). New natural science must reteach literate people and in their thoughts about changes in social orders, wean them from habits of focusing their thoughts mostly on state affairs and state changes, and quick revolutions and uprisings, and accustom them to remember that all orders in human communities grow, not created all at once (breakdown — M. Sh.) and that state or anti-state measures and uprisings – only part of those incidents by which changes in human life move forward, and far from everything. [46] Moreover, the science of social life increasingly clarifies that state orders once, then, when the main state affair was war, were the root of economic changes, e.g., taking land by warriors, – now state orders are mainly – only the roof of economic orders and the result of human thoughts, and that means laying them down or overthrowing them completely cannot be done immediately. The very idea of ‘anarchy’ rejects any notion of changes from top to bottom, not bottom to top, – from the individual to society and beyond, and compels changing the words revolution sociale to evolution sociale and reducing faith in uprisings themselves. Uprisings can begin to awaken public consciousness, they can conclude old orders already undermined from all sides by other methods…, but creating new orders, especially social and economic, uprisings alone cannot achieve. Even overthrown old orders, especially social and economic, inevitably return on “the day after the uprising,” when there is nothing to replace them with to somehow satisfy human economic needs – and with those needs, people don’t wait long. . . The force of the growth of new communal orders lies not so much in uprisings against old orders, especially not in abolishing state orders, as in the growth of small and large societies among people, in changing habits and thoughts (break here and in subsequent lines — M. Sh.) of people in all communities of a country, if not all countries, at least initially the European ones, in a whole range of completely non-political, communal and economic, family and scientific tasks” (“Foreword,” pp. 131-133). Elsewhere, Drahomanov again returns to clarifying the concept of “social revolution.” . . . “The very concept of social revolution makes no sense when understanding the word revolution in the usual meaning of urban warfare. . . Revolution, as an armed uprising of a certain minority (the majority has nothing to rise for), is a concept of the circle of political, state relations and there it has full meaning, because a certain minority may be enough to overthrow the given upper state order and establish another, though not always enough to consolidate it. But what can any minority do in such a matter as establishing joint use of resources, which requires voluntary consent and high moral development of a large majority of the population?! Here even a not very large majority won’t stand. . . . . . “For people to firmly replace the old order with a new one, especially such a component as nationalization or even internationalization of property, they need to have in their minds a ready plan of such an [47] organization, which develops, or rather say, grows through a series of experiences in constant, multifaceted struggle with the obsolete order and in such same attempts at establishing new orders. This growth creates social evolution, in which military actions, as outbreaks of class hatred, riots, and revolutions, obviously inevitable, but constitute only a part of it and moreover not the most essential” (“Le Revolte” about the illusions of conspirators and revolutionaries. “B. S.” No. 49, 1882). We present these long excerpts from Drahomanov’s writings so that listeners and readers seriously pause on this important issue. How one understands it determines the tactics proposed. To outline the path to some social goal, one can only do so with a clear understanding of the question of social revolution and evolution. First and foremost, according to Drahomanov, in the social process, as in the natural one, there are laws governing change, and ignoring these laws cannot be done by anyone wanting to walk surely and firmly towards the goal. For change, one must have a plan, crafted on the principles of pure (empirical) science. Revolutions are inevitable, as part of social evolution, but revolutions do not create a new order, either awakening thought or concluding a change prepared by conscious labor. Only changes in communal and economic orders, family structures, and scientific concepts lead to a change in the social system in the work of the majority of the population. “Custom and benefit have more power over people than word and reason,” says Drahomanov in the “Foreword” (p. 141). Therefore, seizing power by arms does not achieve what we need: a change in the social order. One can say that Drahomanov polemicizes with Moscow Bolsheviks and Ukrainian troublemakers who talk only about power, power, power. Bolsheviks strive to reeducate people and rebuild the social structure, whereas regarding Ukrainian political speedsters, you see them all around: they talk—talk—talk, but build nothing in the realm of economics, culture, or even political organization. They sneer at others’ cultural-economic-political construction, especially rejoicing when it fails. I could give many examples of such attitudes towards the work of today’s Drahomanovites (s-rs): since they base their work on science (sociology) and organize schools, publishing houses, cooperatives, such work often meets with derisive attitudes from political sparrows that chirp lightly about “action,” but do not organize it and do not understand the actions carried out by others. That ten years have passed since the seizure of Ukraine by foreigners and that the state of Ukrainian affairs has not improved, precisely those who vainly wait for an uprising “in two months” do not understand. This political illusionism is characteristic of those who do not engage in scientific study of social life. Political demagogy is their tool in the midst of the dark mass. Meanwhile, political realism can only be learned from Drahomanov! [48] VIII. Principles of Drahomanov’s Tactics From all that has been said earlier, we can already deduce something about the system of tactical means and constructions of Drahomanov. The first principle of Drahomanov’s tactics: do today what can be done with the available forces. From this arose Drahomanov’s work on developing a minimum program that could be implemented in the historical circumstances of the time. This is the well-known “Free Union,” which came out in 1884 with the subtitle: “An Attempt at a Ukrainian Politico-Social Program.” Its content is: the organization of “Free Union” societies for the struggle to reform Russia on federal principles, for the attainment of civil liberties. In the book, Drahomanov brilliantly revealed the essence of democracy, which could already be introduced within the framework of the capitalist system. In the “Foreword to Hromada,” Drahomanov says: . . . “people who have dedicated themselves to serving Ukrainian communities must, striving towards that ultimate goal (“anarchism” — M. Sh.), take advantage of any and minor changes in the current order, which improve the fate of those communities in some way, even temporarily, and especially those that open ways for people and communities to gather together, collectively reflect on their lives and try to reshape it differently” (p. 118 — 119). The currently favored, let’s say, among Bolsheviks way of expressing oneself “either everything or nothing” and “the worse, the better” is condemned by Drahomanov because neither biology nor sociology confirms that such a stance is accepted among people or even among animals. “No living creature will tolerate not grabbing that part which it can grab, out of what it needs, and on the other hand — any can be starved to the point that it won’t even twitch on its own, and on the third — having fed a little, every creature will desire more, and then everything it needs” (p. 119). Hence arose Drahomanov’s view on the need for honest compromise as a method of social struggle in non-revolutionary times: . . . “In a compromise, a person does not alter or conceal the quality of their thoughts, but striving at a certain moment to make their thoughts the law for the community, sets at that moment such an amount of them that can be assimilated by the community at that time, and accepts help from other people who agree with him on this point, though not on others, where no one conceals their fundamental thoughts from the other side” (“People,” 1891, vol. 3). The lack of understanding by many people of the essence and significance of compromise as a technical means of moving forward leads people to opportunism, that is, constantly shuffling on one incident, to which a person submits without intention and conducts their tactics under the dictate of these incidents, not trying to fight against them, opposing their “incidents.” Opportunism is always a product not of thoughtful compromise but of fear and misunderstanding of the social situation. Opportunism never thinks about the ultimate goal, and this is precisely what makes opportunism disgusting, especially in socialist politics. Drahomanov gives guidance on the tactics of compromises that lead to the goal: — “Of course, none of those who set themselves that ultimate goal, which we mentioned above, that is, complete anarchism and complete communitarianism, — can be satisfied with small changes in the current order, and having achieved them, will strive for more and more. In the smallest changes, in changes of state, he will be indifferent to how the higher state authority is arranged, but will press more on increasing the personal freedom of each individual in word and labor, the freedom of each human breed, association, community, country, — so as much as possible to reduce the power of state authority, be it tsarist, hetman, administration (bureaucracy), or even the elected council (parliament), before the power of the individual, community, and to give them more ways to lay the living beginnings of anarchist orders: pan-free and state-free.” (“Foreword…” p. 120). Hardly can one indicate a more vivid formula of realistic politics of compromise in Ukrainian sociological literature than this form of Drahomanov! From the aforementioned principles, Drahomanov derives the tactics of Ukrainian socialists. “We think that our Ukraine, which has neither its own clergy, nor nobility, nor commerce, nor state, but has reasonably intelligent from nature peasantry — will gladly accept the teaching about anarchist and cooperative orders, because of which it is worth working for communal activists, especially those who grew up in Ukraine” (ibid., p. 121). Drahomanov further says that the ways of work of these socialists could be presented based on worldwide experience and conclusions of theoretical science, “but we’d rather derive those thoughts from a review of the current state of our Ukraine” (ibid., p. 122). This is so characteristic of Drahomanov — a sociologist, deriving tactics in Ukraine from studying Ukrainian conditions: “We think that every public work in Ukraine must have a Ukrainian dress — Ukrainianism. Of course, that ‘Ukrainianism’ cannot be the aim of work. The aims of human work are the same throughout the world, as is the consistent science (theoretical, — M. Sh.). But applied science is not the same everywhere. So it is with public work: in each country, in each human breed, further, even in each community and around each individual — personal approaches and incentives to [51] the same goal must be; each country and human group can show more clearly than others the need and method of that or another work, that or other method of work needed for all people” (ibid., p. 122). By this view, Drahomanov distinguishes himself from many even contemporary Ukrainian politicians, who didn’t think of studying and researching the population of Ukraine, to derive from this study rules of political behavior and a program of real work. Drahomanov was the first in his works to note the basic methods of the social structure of Ukraine: the contrast between village and city, the social incompleteness of the Ukrainian nation (lack of national clergy, nobility, commerce, bureaucracy, and generally bourgeois groups), and from that drew conclusions for building an emancipation program. Another unusual rule: Ukrainian socialism is not a party, but a community. Understandably, if state changes have little significance, Drahomanov logically rejected the party as an organizational form of socialist work. Instead, he developed the theory of the community as the basic unit of socialist society. The second half of the “Foreword” is devoted to considering the tasks of Ukrainian socialists in the community. Not to leave Ukraine, to work in the community, to become a useful person for it — such is the task of all who understand that without practical adaptation of their strength in working in the popular mass, there is no active socialism! Further: the work and struggle of a socialist must be based on a moral ground, because “a pure cause demands pure means.” Finally: scientific truth — is above all, because “falsehood — is not enlightenment.” Organizational rule for Ukrainian socialists: to work within the nation irrespective of state borders. Socialist organization not by states, but by nations. Hence the requirement: that Ukrainian socialists form one organization wherever there are Ukrainian masses. In agreement with this, the radical party congress resolved in 1906 to call Ukrainian socialists to form one socialist party in Naddniprianshchyna, Galicia, and even in overseas colonies! As we know from the factual state of affairs, even now this postulate of Drahomanov has not yet been realized. What should be the attitude of Ukrainian socialists towards those states where the Ukrainian people live? — “It is quite feasible for Ukrainians to strive for in those states, under which they are now, every civil liberty with the help of other peoples who are also subject to those states.” (“P. S.” p. 112). This rule is particularly significant for our time: it is used by the Ukrainian bourgeois intelligentsia, which interacts with other nations of those states where Ukrainians live. [52] IX. Criticism and Evaluation of Drahomanov’s Ideology Considering the creative work and activities of Shevchenko, Drahomanov stated that Shevchenko was not and could not be a socialist in view of the fact that Ukraine is agrarian, lacks a developed system of hired labor, industry, and cities. It sounds astonishing this statement: but in Shevchenko, we find a view on communal land ownership in “Cold Yar”: According to which truthful, Holy law And land, given to all, And humble people Do you trade? Beware, For misfortune will befall you… For on the day of joy over you The punishment will unfold, And a new fire will blow From Cold Yar! Besides that, we encounter in Shevchenko such a formula: Is there anything better, better in the world, Than living together, Surely good brethren Enjoy, don’t divide. Isn’t this the formula of socialism? In Shevchenko we find even a direct expression of sympathy for “communism,” as the socialist movement in Europe was called during the 1848 revolution. In Russia during Shevchenko’s time, very little was known about socialism. Shevchenko was not a theorist, but only a poet, however, his direction is quite explicit — toward social revolution, toward the liberation of the working people. Recall his pre-death prayers, in which he yearns for the victory of the working people over the nobility. We can agree that in Shevchenko there is no theoretical elaboration of socialism, but all his tendencies are class-based, directed toward the reconstruction of society on the principles of labor democracy. This position corresponds to the interests of socialism. A person can become a socialist even in an agrarian society, with undeveloped cities and weak industry. Proof of this is … Drahomanov himself. Drahomanov was at Shevchenko’s funeral as a representative of the younger generation. Did Ukraine in the 60-70s significantly differ from Ukraine in the 40-50s of the 19th century? No. It was and remains agrarian even now. From Drahomanov’s standpoint, not only Shevchenko, but even Drahomanov himself and we, supposedly, could not become socialists, and yet Drahomanov became the founder of Ukrainian socialism in an agrarian country. And today we commemorate the 50th anniversary of the first program of Ukrainian socialism. So what is the matter? It is that Drahomanov was under some influence of Marxism and mistakenly thought that socialism could arise [53] only in industrialized countries. That Drahomanov was under the influence of Marxism is shown by his second assertion, namely, that the state is a roof over economic matters. This “roof” is nothing else but Marx’s statement about politics and the state as superstructure (Uberbau) over the economy. However, Drahomanov was not a Marxist, as he explicitly stated in a letter to Yu. Bachinsky: “You know — he writes, — that I do not agree with the exclusively economic philosophy and politics of history, because I consider it a kind of metaphysics, and human life too complex to be explained by only one element. But I have nothing against even a one-sided doctrine, when it leads to the investigation of new facts. Unfortunately, Marxists, or rather — Engelsists, rarely investigate anything, but simply a priori draw historical and political figures, often completely fantastical” (Correspondence of Drahomanov with Yu. Bachinsky, p. 7-8). Nevertheless, he made use of the “one-sided doctrine,” which, for instance, through Engels said that “if it were not for ancient slavery, there would be no modern scientific socialism.” The idea expressed here of a logical connection between phenomena such as ancient slavery and modern scientific socialism indeed points to the “metaphysics” of Marxists, who sometimes draw fantastical figures. Meanwhile, this metaphysics touched Drahomanov as well, leading him to the conclusion that in an agrarian country with underdeveloped cities, a conscious person cannot become a socialist! Further, we must point out that the famous phrase “Ukrainian socialism is not a party, but a community” should be appropriately clarified from some misunderstandings. Drahomanov, placing the community at the foundation of constructive socialism, fell somewhat into a one-sidedness. He envisioned it as a labor union, meanwhile, such a community must become in modern rural and especially urban settings a complex combination of various social classes. Where there is a class, there will be its active force — a party. Both class and party in modern society are driving forces of socialism. So how can one say that “Ukrainian socialism is not a party”? Communists, for example, say that the creator of socialism is the party. They have even moved away from purely class politics, placing the party above the working class. When we examine socialist theories and movements, we see an interesting phenomenon: theorists adopt different social groupings as the main force and form of the socialist movement: Marxists — class, Leninists — party, syndicalists — trade union, guild socialists — guild, religious people — church, cooperators — cooperative, theorists of state socialism — state, Drahomanov — community. Describing the forms of organization and functions of some social grouping, theorists overemphasize their favorite object and overlook something very important, namely: [54] society is a combination of all the aforementioned groupings, each corresponding to some human need and each playing a certain, sometimes very important, social role, but not exclusive; each is not an absolute, but functionally dependent on other social groupings, therefore building a scientific theory of socialism, i.e., a theory of the reconstruction of the entire society, can only be done through the study of all social phenomena. The reconstruction of society can be conceived as a simultaneous change in all social phenomena in the structure and functions of clusters, aggregates, and society. In other words: scientific socialism can only be integral socialism, derived from the study of entire social reality. And it is futile to say: socialism — is a party, socialism — is a class, socialism — is a state, syndicate, guild, cooperative. It is also futile to say that “socialism is not a party, but a community.” Because if you compare the village and the city, the question immediately arises: what community? Is it the rural or the urban? Drahomanov tied all his hopes to the rural community. Meanwhile, look at Bolshevism where the party, class, state, city stand in the first place, and the rural community is an object of subjugation and exploitation. To the rural community, Drahomanov came through the study of the structure of Ukraine’s population. He correctly noted that the Ukrainian nation — is the peasantry, but this was not entirely accurate even during his time, as there was also Ukrainian craftsmanship (this was well elucidated by Drahomanov’s friend and like-minded colleague Dr. Serhiy Podolinsky in his book “Crafts and Shops in Ukraine” — 1880), and now we already know that the Ukrainian nation — is the peasantry, working class, craftsmanship, and intelligentsia with buds of other classes — petty bourgeoisie and some landed gentry. Now, as then, there are cities in Ukraine. What to do with the cities? We do not find an explicit answer to this question in Drahomanov. Turning the whole society into “communities of free people” — this is good, but when foreigners create many urban communities and such that have the right to join unions with their fellow neighboring peoples at their own will, then… the Ukrainian village will not cope with them. This was well demonstrated by the Great Revolution of 1917. September 20, 1930 Detroit. Mykita Shapoval.

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Anarchism and Socialism

Anarchism and socialism seem to be a mixture of political and economic factors. If analyzed anarchism is mainly political, while socialism is mainly economic. expand

ChatGPT said:

You’re right that anarchism and socialism are often seen as a blend of political and economic ideologies, but they differ in focus and their approach to societal organization.

Anarchism is primarily a political ideology, though it has significant economic implications as well. The core of anarchism is the rejection of hierarchical structures—especially the state, which anarchists see as inherently coercive and oppressive. Anarchists believe that authority should be dismantled in favor of self-managed, voluntary associations and direct democracy. Anarchism tends to focus on the political aspect of this transformation, advocating for the abolishment of institutions like the state, capitalism, and any centralized power. Economically, anarchists are often anti-capitalist and call for decentralized systems of production and distribution (such as mutual aid, worker cooperatives, and collective ownership), but the emphasis is usually on the means of organizing society in a way that eliminates coercive authority and power structures.

Socialism, on the other hand, is primarily an economic system that advocates for collective ownership of the means of production. Socialism seeks to address economic inequalities by redistributing wealth and ensuring that the economy serves the needs of everyone, rather than profit-driven motives. While socialism can exist in different political frameworks (democratic socialism, for example, or more authoritarian forms like Marxist-Leninist socialism), its central focus is on the economic organization of society—such as planning, public ownership, or workers’ control over industry. Socialists argue that by controlling the means of production, workers can eliminate the exploitative nature of capitalism and create a fairer, more equitable society.

Where the two overlap is in their common critique of capitalism and the belief in a world without inequality. However, anarchists generally reject the state as a means to achieve socialism, while socialists might see the state as a necessary tool to implement socialism (at least in the transition period). Anarchists argue that a “state” version of socialism could still be oppressive, while socialists often argue that a strong state is necessary to protect social gains and redistribute resources fairly.

In summary:

  • Anarchism: Focuses on abolishing the state and other hierarchical institutions, with a political emphasis on decentralization and direct democracy. Its economic focus is on creating egalitarian, cooperative structures but via non-state means.
  • Socialism: Primarily an economic framework that advocates for collective ownership and control over production, often within a state structure, to eliminate exploitation and inequality.

The two ideologies can, in theory, complement each other, but their key difference lies in how they view the role of the state in achieving their vision of a just society.

You said:

So “anarchistic socialism” is not a bad phrase

ChatGPT said:

No, anarchistic socialism isn’t a bad phrase at all—it’s actually a meaningful and well-established term in political theory.

The phrase anarchistic socialism combines the core principles of anarchism and socialism into a coherent vision. It refers to a form of socialism that rejects the state as a means of implementing socialist economic principles. Anarchistic socialists (often just called anarchists or anarcho-socialists) believe in the abolition of both capitalism and the state, advocating for a society where resources and power are managed collectively by workers and communities, without the need for a central government or authoritarian structures.

Anarchistic socialism emphasizes both the political goal of decentralization and direct democracy (which anarchism focuses on) and the economic goal of collective ownership and equality (which socialism focuses on). In this vision, the economic system would be based on voluntary cooperation, mutual aid, and non-hierarchical forms of production and distribution, such as worker cooperatives or community-based resource management.

Anarchistic socialism can be seen as a direct rejection of state-centered forms of socialism, like those seen in some forms of Marxist-Leninist governance, where the state plays a central role in organizing the economy. Anarchists argue that even in a socialist state, the concentration of power in the hands of a government would inevitably lead to oppression and hierarchy, so they advocate for creating a stateless society with socialism at its heart.

Some well-known historical figures and movements associated with anarchistic socialism include:

  • Peter Kropotkin: A key figure in anarcho-communism, who argued that communities could thrive through mutual aid and cooperative economics without state control.
  • Mikhail Bakunin: A major proponent of anarcho-syndicalism, which seeks to build worker-controlled economies through direct action, such as strikes and labor unions.
  • The Spanish Revolution (1936-1939): An example of anarchistic socialism in practice, where workers in parts of Spain took control of factories, farms, and other productive resources without the intervention of a centralized state.

So, while the phrase anarchistic socialism may sound contradictory at first glance (since anarchism rejects the state and socialism has historically involved state intervention), it reflects a specific ideological blend that advocates for both the abolition of hierarchical power structures and the creation of a more equitable, cooperative economy.

Survival Beyond the State: An Anarchist Approach to Self-Sufficiency and Resilience

I asked chatGPT to write an outline of a book — with some prompts. Here is the result:


Introduction: The Urgency of Self-Sufficiency in a Fragile World

In an increasingly unstable world, where natural disasters, war, and societal breakdowns are becoming more frequent, the need to embrace self-sufficiency and independence from state control has never been more pressing. This book explores how individuals and communities can survive—both physically and socially—by rejecting dependence on the state and instead focusing on self-reliance, mutual aid, and voluntary cooperation. By drawing on anarchist theory, particularly the work of Franz Oppenheimer, the book illustrates how survivalism and anarchism intersect, advocating for a world where people are empowered to rebuild society outside coercive systems.


Chapter 1: The Vulnerability of Modern Society and the Need for Survival

  • The Fragility of Modern Infrastructure: Modern systems—electricity, transportation, communication, food distribution—are essential yet vulnerable to collapse, whether due to war, natural disasters, or social unrest. Events such as the 1962 New York blackout and the destruction of infrastructure during the war in Ukraine highlight the brittleness of these systems.
  • The Urgency of Self-Sufficiency: When these systems break down, survival depends on our ability to provide for ourselves. Individuals must rely on their knowledge, skills, and resourcefulness—rather than on the state or external systems—to meet their basic needs for food, water, and shelter.

Chapter 2: Historical Lessons in Self-Sufficiency

  • Robinson Crusoe as a Case Study: Daniel Defoe’s Robinson Crusoe offers an early example of self-reliance in isolation. Crusoe survives by using his skills to cultivate the land, forage, and hunt. This classic story illustrates how survival is possible when individuals are disconnected from modern infrastructure, relying on their knowledge and the natural world.
  • Modern Survival Shows: Television survival shows like Survivorman, Alone, and Naked and Afraid reinforce the idea that self-sufficiency in extreme conditions is possible with the right skills. These shows demonstrate how contestants build shelters, forage for food, and navigate difficult environments using only basic tools and their knowledge of the land. The book integrates these lessons to show how self-sufficiency is achievable in a post-apocalyptic or crisis scenario.

Chapter 3: Foraging and Wild Edibles as the Cornerstones of Survival

  • The Importance of Wild Edibles: In crisis situations, access to food from traditional markets or supply chains may be cut off. The ability to forage for wild plants, mushrooms, and other edibles becomes critical. Wild edibles like dandelions, wild garlic, and acorns provide essential nutrients when conventional food sources are unavailable.
  • Using Survival Manuals for Foraging: Survival manuals such as Edible Wild Plants by John Kallas and The Forager’s Harvest by Samuel Thayer are vital resources that teach how to identify, harvest, and prepare wild plants. These manuals are essential for anyone aiming to become self-sufficient in a world where grocery stores and food supply chains are unreliable.

Chapter 4: Anarchism, Survival, and the Rejection of the State

  • Franz Oppenheimer’s Critique of the State: Oppenheimer’s distinction between the “political means” (force and coercion) and the “economic means” (peaceful cooperation) provides a foundational framework for understanding survival outside the state. According to Oppenheimer, the state arises from violence, coercing resources from productive individuals. The survival book adopts this critique to argue that true survival comes not from reliance on the state but from the peaceful, voluntary cooperation that allows individuals to meet their needs through their own efforts.
  • Anarchism and Voluntary Cooperation: Anarchism emphasizes rejecting state power and embracing decentralized, voluntary cooperation. Survival outside the state, as envisioned by anarchists, involves building resilient communities based on mutual aid, self-reliance, and shared responsibility, rather than top-down, coercive control.

Chapter 5: The “Economic Means” of Survival—Building Independent Communities

  • Self-Sufficiency as the “Economic Means”: In times of crisis, survival depends on the “economic means”—growing food, bartering, building shelter, and forming cooperative networks—rather than on state-controlled systems. This chapter discusses how individuals and communities can create self-sustaining systems outside state structures, relying on their own knowledge and resources.
  • Anarchist Principles in Practice: Building resilient communities that don’t rely on the state is at the heart of anarchist thought. The book explores how communities can thrive without state intervention, focusing on practical steps like growing food, hunting, and foraging for wild edibles. These skills not only provide for basic needs but also foster a sense of independence and resilience in the face of systemic collapse.

Chapter 6: Survival Communities—Building Security and Cooperation

  • Security Without the State: One of the key principles of anarchism is the rejection of the state’s monopoly on violence. In a survival scenario, individuals and communities must create their own security systems, whether through local defense groups, shared resources, or other forms of mutual protection. This chapter delves into how community-based security structures can replace state-run law enforcement, empowering people to protect themselves without relying on the state.
  • Creating a Stateless, Cooperative Community: The book demonstrates that survival is not just about physical sustenance but also about building social resilience. By organizing communities around mutual aid and cooperation, individuals can create a sense of solidarity that ensures survival in the long term. Whether it’s through sharing knowledge, tools, food, or labor, these principles form the foundation for a stateless society where cooperation replaces coercion.

Chapter 7: Rebuilding After Crisis—Sustaining Stateless Communities

  • Rebuilding Infrastructure Without the State: The survival book emphasizes that even after the collapse of state systems, communities can rebuild independently. By relying on the skills of the individuals within the community, such as foraging, gardening, shelter-building, and crafting, people can create sustainable living environments without the need for centralized infrastructure or state intervention.
  • Mutual Aid as the Basis for Rebuilding: Rebuilding after a crisis is not just about individual survival but about collective action. Anarchism’s principles of mutual aid and voluntary cooperation provide a roadmap for communities to rebuild in a way that is equitable and sustainable. Communities can share knowledge, resources, and labor to ensure that everyone’s needs are met and that the group as a whole becomes more resilient.

Conclusion: Survival as a Path to a Stateless, Cooperative Future

The book concludes by reaffirming that survivalism and anarchism share a common vision: a life outside the state, rooted in self-sufficiency, mutual aid, and voluntary cooperation. When systems of power fail—whether due to war, disaster, or economic collapse—individuals and communities that are equipped with survival skills and the principles of anarchism are best positioned to thrive. By rejecting the state’s coercive control and embracing decentralized, cooperative models, we can build a future where people are free to live in harmony with each other and the land, resilient in the face of any crisis.

Ultimately, this book advocates for a world where people are empowered to care for themselves and each other, relying on the “economic means” of survival instead of the “political means” of state control. Whether in times of disaster or as a long-term philosophy, anarchism and survivalism offer a powerful framework for building a stateless, self-sufficient world.

Dialogue between Lysander Spooner and Noam Chomsky on the US Constitution, secession and the Civil War

ChatGPT said:

Here’s a fictional dialogue between Lysander Spooner, the 19th-century abolitionist and critic of the U.S. Constitution, and Noam Chomsky, the contemporary linguist and political thinker, focusing on their differing perspectives on the U.S. Constitution.


Lysander Spooner: Professor Chomsky, I understand you’ve been critical of American imperialism and the concentration of power in modern states. I’d like to hear your thoughts on the U.S. Constitution—though I must say, I’ve found it to be little more than a contract that binds no one.

Noam Chomsky: Mr. Spooner, it’s a pleasure to engage with you, especially given your sharp critiques of government authority. I’d argue the Constitution, while flawed, provides a framework for popular struggle. It contains principles that can be leveraged to resist abuses of power, though I wouldn’t call it inherently liberatory.

Spooner: Flawed, indeed! The Constitution claims to be the supreme law of the land, yet it was never agreed to unanimously by the people. It binds generations long after its framers are dead. This is no contract at all—it is an imposition. And even if it did bind its original signatories, it has enabled immense injustices, including slavery in my time.

Chomsky: I agree that the Constitution has been wielded to justify significant harm. Slavery is a glaring example. However, what you see as an illegitimate contract, I see as a contested space. Popular movements—abolitionists like yourself, civil rights activists, and labor organizers—have appropriated its language to push for justice.

Spooner: Appropriating the language of a fundamentally flawed document only legitimizes its authority. A contract that allows for slavery, as the Constitution once did, cannot be the foundation for justice. My position is simple: natural rights precede any government. The state, with its Constitution, violates those rights more often than it protects them.

Chomsky: I sympathize with your natural rights framework, but I approach power structures differently. States, including those established by the Constitution, are instruments of power. We must either dismantle or redirect them to serve human needs. The Constitution’s malleability can be a tool for resistance, even if it was drafted by elites.

Spooner: Tools for resistance? Tell me, Professor Chomsky, how can a document designed to consolidate elite control be repurposed for liberation? It centralizes authority, creates monopolies of power, and, most damningly, enforces laws without consent. Is it not better to abolish such systems entirely?

Chomsky: Abolition of oppressive systems is an ideal I share. But pragmatism compels me to work within existing structures when possible. The Constitution, despite its origins, has provided a legal basis for marginalized groups to challenge authority. Change is incremental and messy—there’s no pure path to justice.

Spooner: Incremental change, you say? That sounds like perpetuating injustice under the guise of reform. The abolition of slavery was not an incremental shift; it was a moral imperative that demanded total repudiation. Waiting for justice while appealing to the oppressors’ rules is a dangerous game.

Chomsky: I don’t dispute the urgency of justice, Mr. Spooner. But history shows us that people organize most effectively when they use the tools available to them, flawed as they may be. Radical change often begins with pragmatic steps. Would you deny the abolitionist movement, which you led in part, relied on the political system you now reject?

Spooner: I’d deny it entirely! My work with the abolitionist movement, including the founding of the American Letter Mail Company, was independent of state authority. My advocacy was rooted in natural rights, not in appealing to the Constitution or seeking validation from the state.

Chomsky: Fair enough, but movements often draw strength from diverse approaches. While you rejected the Constitution, others invoked it to demand equality and freedom. That tension—between rejecting and reforming institutions—is where struggle takes place.

Spooner: Perhaps. But let us be clear, Professor Chomsky: liberty cannot thrive under a system built on coercion, no matter how it is reformed. True justice lies in voluntary association and mutual consent, free from the impositions of constitutions or states.

Chomsky: A compelling vision, Mr. Spooner. And yet, until we dismantle the structures of power entirely, perhaps we can agree that challenging them—whether through rejection or appropriation—is a step toward a freer society.

Spooner: A step, perhaps. But I shall remain wary of tools forged by tyranny. After all, even the most well-intentioned reforms can become chains.

Chomsky: A sentiment I respect, though I remain hopeful that those chains can also be wielded against oppression.


This dialogue contrasts Spooner’s anarchistic rejection of the Constitution with Chomsky’s pragmatic engagement with institutional frameworks for social justice.

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You said:

have chomsky express his view on secession and civil war

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

Here’s a continuation of the fictional dialogue with Noam Chomsky reflecting on secession and civil war, aligning with his known perspectives on power, sovereignty, and popular movements.


Spooner: Professor Chomsky, your emphasis on pragmatic engagement intrigues me. Tell me, how do you view secession as a means of resisting centralized authority? Does it not offer a pathway to liberty for oppressed groups, even if it risks conflict?

Chomsky: Secession is a complicated issue, Mr. Spooner. It depends heavily on context. On the one hand, I sympathize with communities seeking autonomy, particularly when centralized authority becomes oppressive or exploitative. Decentralized power structures often allow for greater participation and control by the people.

Spooner: Indeed, decentralization and voluntary association are at the heart of liberty. Yet history shows that centralized powers often refuse to let regions secede peacefully, leading to civil war. How do you reconcile your pragmatism with the violence that often accompanies such struggles?

Chomsky: Civil wars are tragic and should be avoided whenever possible. They bring immense suffering and frequently replace one form of oppression with another. But there are cases—colonial liberation movements, for instance—where the fight for independence becomes unavoidable because the central authority leaves no room for negotiation.

Spooner: Then you concede that secession is a legitimate course, even if it risks bloodshed?

Chomsky: I concede that it can be, though I view it as a last resort. It’s always better to achieve change through mass mobilization and nonviolent means. Secession movements often face the challenge of reproducing hierarchical structures within the newly independent entity. Without addressing systemic inequalities, secession can fail to deliver true liberation.

Spooner: That may be so, but the moral imperative to break free from an unjust union should outweigh concerns about imperfect outcomes. The southern states’ secession in my time was deeply flawed because it sought to preserve slavery. But secession itself, as a principle, remains a valid expression of self-determination.

Chomsky: Agreed, the principle of self-determination is critical. However, it’s not enough to simply secede; the goals and values of the movement matter greatly. In cases where secession serves reactionary interests, such as preserving systems of oppression, it becomes part of the problem rather than the solution.

Spooner: A fair point. But consider: even in cases where secession movements are flawed, does not the act of withdrawing consent to be governed represent a vital assertion of liberty?

Chomsky: It does, but liberty must be paired with justice and equality. A secessionist movement rooted in exclusionary or hierarchical values risks creating a new tyranny. That’s why I advocate for grassroots organizing and solidarity across regions. Structural changes must accompany secession for it to lead to a freer society.

Spooner: And yet, Professor Chomsky, are not those structural changes easier to achieve on a smaller scale? A vast empire, like the one established by this Constitution, cannot reflect the will of its people. Secession offers a chance to experiment with liberty on a human scale.

Chomsky: True, smaller communities can often be more responsive to their members. But the danger lies in fragmentation. Without solidarity and cooperation, decentralization can lead to isolation, vulnerability, and new forms of domination. It’s a balance—scaling governance to ensure responsiveness while fostering unity to resist exploitation.

Spooner: A delicate balance, to be sure. But I maintain that any step toward decentralization, even imperfectly executed, brings us closer to a society based on voluntary association. If the cost of liberty is conflict, so be it.

Chomsky: I respect your conviction, Mr. Spooner, though I remain cautious about glorifying conflict. Liberty and justice must go hand in hand, and movements for autonomy must always ask: what kind of society are we building, and for whom?


This continuation juxtaposes Spooner’s libertarian enthusiasm for secession with Chomsky’s cautious, context-dependent view, emphasizing solidarity and systemic transformation alongside autonomy.

Dialogue between an Anarchist and a Capitalist (with Nestor Makhno later)

ChatGPT said:

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Anarchist: Capitalism is inherently exploitative. It relies on a system where the majority—workers—are forced to sell their labor to survive, while a minority—capitalists—own the means of production and extract surplus value from that labor. This creates a society of inequality, where wealth and power are concentrated in the hands of a few at the expense of the many.

Capitalist: I disagree. Capitalism is not exploitation; it’s a system of voluntary exchange. Workers freely choose to sell their labor, and in return, they receive wages. Entrepreneurs take on risks to create businesses, and they are rewarded for their innovation and investment. The result is economic growth, innovation, and improved living standards for everyone.

Anarchist: “Voluntary” exchange under capitalism is a myth. Workers are not truly free to choose; they must work to meet their basic needs because capitalists control access to resources and production. This coerces workers into accepting unfavorable terms. Furthermore, the wealth generated by collective labor disproportionately benefits the capitalists, who contribute the least but reap the most rewards.

Capitalist: Workers benefit too. They gain steady incomes and access to goods and services that improve their quality of life. And competition between businesses ensures efficiency and innovation, which ultimately benefits consumers, including workers. Capitalism aligns incentives to create wealth and improve living standards.

Anarchist: But the supposed “benefits” for workers are crumbs compared to the wealth amassed by capitalists. Even in the most “developed” capitalist societies, we see homelessness, poverty, and inadequate healthcare. Capitalism also drives environmental destruction, prioritizing profits over the planet. A truly free and equitable society would be one where workers collectively own and manage the means of production, ensuring decisions serve the community rather than private profit.

Capitalist: Collective ownership sounds idealistic but ignores practical challenges. Who decides what gets produced or how resources are allocated? Centralized systems tend to become inefficient and stifle innovation. Capitalism, through markets and competition, solves these problems. The inequality you criticize is a natural outcome of varying skills, effort, and risk-taking. It incentivizes people to contribute more and create value.

Anarchist: Markets and competition foster greed, alienation, and a “survival of the fittest” mentality. They pit people against one another rather than encouraging cooperation. In a decentralized, anarchist society, communities could organize themselves through mutual aid and voluntary associations. Production and distribution could be based on human needs, not profit motives, fostering solidarity and sustainability.

Capitalist: Decentralized systems sound appealing but lack the scalability and efficiency of markets. How do you ensure accountability or prevent free-riding in your proposed society? Without incentives tied to individual effort and productivity, there’s little motivation for innovation or hard work. Capitalism isn’t perfect, but it’s the best system we have for managing complex, large-scale economies.

Anarchist: Scalability and efficiency shouldn’t come at the cost of human dignity or environmental destruction. Accountability and motivation can come from community ties, shared values, and the inherent satisfaction of meaningful work. Anarchism offers a vision of a society where people are free from exploitation, where power is decentralized, and where cooperation replaces competition. Capitalism cannot claim to offer the same.

Capitalist: We’ll have to agree to disagree. You prioritize equality and cooperation, while I value freedom and individual achievement. Perhaps the answer lies in finding a balance between these ideals.

4o

You said:

have anarchist note that class division arose through conquest

ChatGPT said:

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Anarchist: Capitalism is not a natural system—it’s built on centuries of conquest and exploitation. Class divisions didn’t arise because of hard work or innovation; they emerged when some groups violently seized resources and land, creating a system where a minority controls the wealth and a majority is forced to labor for them. This legacy of conquest underpins modern capitalism, perpetuating inequality and exploitation.

Capitalist: I think you’re oversimplifying. While conquest and inequality have existed throughout history, capitalism has created opportunities for social mobility and innovation. It’s a system that rewards hard work, creativity, and risk-taking, enabling individuals to rise above their circumstances. Modern capitalism isn’t about conquest; it’s about voluntary exchanges and mutually beneficial relationships.

Anarchist: Voluntary exchanges? Tell that to indigenous peoples whose lands were stolen, or to enslaved workers who built the wealth of colonial empires. The capitalist class was born through conquest, and even today, its wealth is protected by systems of violence—police, militaries, and laws that criminalize dissent and protect property over people. Capitalism continues to thrive on the exploitation of the Global South, where resources and labor are extracted under coercive conditions.

Capitalist: I agree that historical injustices occurred, but we can’t hold modern capitalism accountable for the actions of the past. Today’s system isn’t perfect, but it provides a framework for economic growth and progress. And global trade, for example, has lifted millions out of poverty. Blaming capitalism for all inequality ignores the role of bad governance, corruption, and other factors.

Anarchist: But those “bad governance” systems are often intertwined with capitalism. Multinational corporations exploit weak labor protections and corrupt governments to maximize profits, perpetuating inequality and environmental destruction. The legacy of conquest isn’t just historical—it’s ongoing, as the capitalist system prioritizes profit over human needs and ecological sustainability. A society based on mutual aid and collective ownership could end this cycle of exploitation.

Capitalist: That’s a noble vision, but it assumes human nature is entirely cooperative, which history doesn’t support. People have different talents, ambitions, and values. Capitalism channels these differences into productive competition, driving innovation and improving living standards. Without these incentives, your system risks stagnation and inefficiency.

Anarchist: Capitalism doesn’t channel differences—it exacerbates them into hierarchies of wealth and power. Cooperation isn’t a pipe dream; it’s essential to human survival. Before conquest and class division, many societies were egalitarian, organized around shared resources and collective decision-making. Capitalism is the exception, not the rule, in human history. We can—and should—build a system that reflects those cooperative roots, free from exploitation and domination.

Capitalist: Those egalitarian societies you reference were small and lacked the complexity of modern economies. Scaling cooperation across billions of people requires systems that harness incentives and efficiency, which capitalism provides. While we can work to address its flaws, replacing capitalism with an untested system risks chaos and regression.

Anarchist: It’s capitalism that risks chaos—environmental collapse, growing inequality, and the erosion of community. A society rooted in equality and mutual aid isn’t untested; it’s how humans lived for most of history before the violence of conquest imposed class divisions. We need to reimagine the world, not merely patch up a system that was rotten from its very foundation.

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You said:

have capitalist bring in ai as a captalist product which can solve humanities problems

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Capitalist: Let me offer you a different perspective. One of the most transformative products of capitalism is artificial intelligence. AI, developed through the competition and innovation capitalism fosters, has the potential to solve humanity’s biggest problems. From optimizing healthcare systems to addressing climate change, AI represents what capitalism can achieve when incentives align with technological progress.

Anarchist: AI might be a remarkable technology, but let’s not pretend it’s a purely benevolent force. In the hands of capitalists, AI often serves to reinforce existing inequalities. Corporations use AI to automate jobs, displacing workers while increasing profits for shareholders. Surveillance technologies, driven by AI, are used to monitor and control populations. The potential of AI is immense, but under capitalism, it becomes a tool of exploitation and domination.

Capitalist: That’s a cynical view. AI isn’t just about profit—it’s about efficiency and solving complex problems that human labor alone cannot address. For example, AI-driven models are helping researchers develop vaccines faster, improve disaster response, and even design sustainable energy systems. None of this would be possible without the investment and resources that capitalism provides.

Anarchist: But who decides how AI is used and for whose benefit? Under capitalism, those decisions are made by corporations prioritizing profits, not the public good. The same AI that accelerates vaccine development is used to maximize profits for pharmaceutical companies, leaving millions in the Global South without access. The same AI that optimizes supply chains contributes to worker exploitation and environmental harm. AI isn’t the problem—capitalism’s priorities are.

Capitalist: Without capitalism’s incentives, AI wouldn’t even exist. Entrepreneurs and investors take risks to develop cutting-edge technologies, and markets ensure they’re applied where they create the most value. You’re focused on the negative applications, but think about the millions of lives saved through AI-driven diagnostics or the renewable energy breakthroughs enabled by AI modeling. These innovations are the result of capitalist systems driving progress.

Anarchist: The problem is that capitalism equates “value” with profit, not human well-being. Imagine if AI were developed and applied in a society where decisions were made democratically, with the needs of all people—not just shareholders—in mind. Instead of displacing workers, AI could reduce the burden of labor and free people for creativity and community. Under capitalism, that potential is squandered because the system prioritizes profit over people.

Capitalist: Democratically controlled AI sounds nice in theory, but in practice, it would stifle innovation. Bureaucratic oversight and collective decision-making can’t match the speed and efficiency of markets. Capitalism creates the incentives for the brightest minds to push boundaries and develop technologies like AI. Without those incentives, progress would slow, and humanity would be worse off.

Anarchist: Progress shouldn’t come at the expense of exploitation and inequality. Capitalism’s version of AI exacerbates existing hierarchies, making the wealthy wealthier while the poor bear the costs. A cooperative system could use AI to eliminate scarcity, distribute resources equitably, and address humanity’s needs sustainably. AI could be a tool for liberation, but only if we dismantle the capitalist structures that twist it into a means of oppression.

Capitalist: You see oppression; I see opportunity. AI developed under capitalism isn’t perfect, but it’s improving lives worldwide. The challenge is to refine the system, not to abandon it entirely. A world without capitalism might sound appealing, but it risks losing the very dynamism and innovation that have brought us transformative tools like AI. Let’s build on what works instead of tearing it down.

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You said:

have anarchist note that capitalism requires a centralized government and this needs to change

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Anarchist: You talk about capitalism as a system of innovation and freedom, but it relies heavily on a centralized government to function. Without the state enforcing property rights, subsidizing corporations, and protecting the interests of the wealthy through police and military power, capitalism couldn’t exist. It’s a contradiction—capitalism depends on a form of coercive centralization that stifles true freedom and autonomy.

Capitalist: That’s not entirely true. The government’s role is to provide a stable framework for capitalism to thrive—enforcing contracts, protecting individual rights, and ensuring the rule of law. This isn’t coercion; it’s the foundation of a functioning society. Without these structures, you’d have chaos, not freedom. Markets, not governments, drive innovation and economic growth.

Anarchist: The government’s “stable framework” is anything but neutral. It protects the wealthy elite and their property while suppressing workers and dissenters. The police break strikes, militaries enforce the exploitation of resources abroad, and laws criminalize those who challenge the system. This centralization of power exists to sustain capitalism, not to serve the public. True freedom would mean dismantling these structures and replacing them with decentralized, cooperative systems.

Capitalist: Decentralized systems might sound appealing, but they struggle to maintain order or address complex, large-scale issues. Capitalism and government provide stability and coordination that decentralized systems can’t replicate. Take the global supply chain, for instance. It’s a marvel of efficiency, made possible by clear rules and coordination—something anarchism couldn’t manage effectively.

Anarchist: The global supply chain is a perfect example of capitalism’s failures. It’s efficient at generating profits but terrible at addressing human and ecological needs. It exploits workers in one part of the world while creating waste and inequality elsewhere. A decentralized system wouldn’t be perfect, but it would be rooted in community-based decision-making and mutual aid, prioritizing well-being over profit. People, not corporations or governments, should decide how resources are produced and distributed.

Capitalist: But how do you ensure accountability and fairness in such a system? Without a centralized government, who resolves disputes or enforces agreements? Capitalism, for all its flaws, has mechanisms for addressing these issues, like legal systems and competition. Your vision risks devolving into fragmentation and inefficiency.

Anarchist: Accountability and fairness can be achieved through voluntary associations, horizontal decision-making, and restorative justice practices. Centralized governments and capitalism create artificial hierarchies that alienate people from one another and their communities. Decentralization empowers individuals and communities to take control of their own lives, creating systems of mutual accountability that don’t rely on coercion or exploitation.

Capitalist: That level of decentralization might work in small communities, but it’s not scalable. Modern economies are too interconnected and complex to be managed without centralized structures. Capitalism, paired with good governance, strikes a balance between individual freedom and large-scale coordination.

Anarchist: Capitalism and centralized governance only “work” by forcing people into dependence on these systems. It’s time to envision something better—an interconnected world built on cooperation, not coercion, where people freely associate and create systems that reflect their collective values. True innovation lies in breaking free from capitalism and the state, not doubling down on them.

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You said:

have capitalist ponder on anrco=capitalism and [milie?] in argentina

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Capitalist: You know, this conversation has me thinking about something that might bridge some of our differences—anarcho-capitalism. It’s a system where markets operate without government interference, relying entirely on voluntary exchanges and private property rights. It’s capitalism without the centralized state you criticize. And, interestingly, I’ve heard about experiments in Argentina, like the milieu during times of economic collapse, where informal, decentralized markets emerged as people created systems outside of traditional state structures. Doesn’t that point to a form of capitalism that aligns with your values of decentralization?

Anarchist: Anarcho-capitalism might remove the state, but it doesn’t address the core problem of capitalism: the concentration of wealth and power through private property and profit-driven systems. In fact, without a state to mediate conflicts, anarcho-capitalism risks devolving into feudalism, where private interests with the most resources dominate everyone else. As for Argentina’s informal markets, they emerged out of necessity, not ideological commitment to capitalism. These were survival mechanisms, not examples of liberation.

Capitalist: But those informal markets show how resilient and adaptable free markets can be, even in the absence of a centralized state. People voluntarily exchanged goods and services, creating value and meeting needs without government oversight. That’s a testament to the power of decentralized capitalism. If we removed coercive state structures, couldn’t something similar thrive on a larger scale?

Anarchist: Those markets operated under conditions of extreme hardship, not freedom. They weren’t free markets in the sense anarcho-capitalists idealize—they were desperate attempts to survive within a system that had already failed the people. Without addressing the underlying power imbalances of capitalism, anarcho-capitalism would perpetuate the same inequalities, just with private enforcers instead of state ones. True freedom means abolishing not just the state but also the hierarchical structures of capitalism.

Capitalist: I think you’re underestimating the potential of voluntary systems. If people are free to contract and exchange without interference, they can build systems that reflect their values. Private property and free markets don’t have to mean exploitation—they can mean opportunity and innovation. Even in Argentina, those markets gave people a sense of agency during chaos.

Anarchist: Agency under capitalism, even in its anarcho-capitalist form, is always limited by who owns what. If a few individuals control the land, resources, or technology, the majority are left negotiating their freedom under conditions of coercion. Argentina’s milieu showed resilience, yes, but they also exposed the failures of capitalism to provide for people’s basic needs. A decentralized, cooperative system based on mutual aid, not profit, would give people true agency, not the illusion of it.

Capitalist: Maybe anarcho-capitalism isn’t perfect, but it’s a step toward a freer society. By eliminating the state, it removes the centralized force you criticize, allowing people to shape their communities through voluntary interactions. It might not solve every problem, but it’s a practical way to balance freedom and order without the authoritarianism of the state.

Anarchist: Anarcho-capitalism replaces one form of authoritarianism with another. It eliminates the state but keeps capitalism’s inherent hierarchies intact. We need to rethink the entire system, not just decentralize it. Argentina’s milieu offers lessons about resilience and cooperation, but they’re a call to move beyond capitalism entirely, not repackage it in a new form.

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You said:

kave nestor Makhno jump in to support amarcjism

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Nestor Makhno (joining the discussion): Comrades, I cannot remain silent when I hear anarchism being reduced to mere theoretical debate. I lived anarchism, fought for it, and saw what happens when we try to merge it with systems like capitalism or rely on the state. The struggle for true freedom is not about tinkering with hierarchies but abolishing them entirely. Both state socialism and capitalism are chains around the necks of the people.

Anarchist: Thank you, Nestor. Your struggle in Ukraine proves that anarchism isn’t just theoretical—it’s practical and achievable. You showed that workers and peasants could self-organize, defend themselves, and build a society based on mutual aid and freedom. What would you say to the capitalist’s idea of anarcho-capitalism?

Makhno: Anarcho-capitalism? That is a contradiction in terms! Capitalism, by its nature, creates hierarchies—of wealth, power, and control. Under capitalism, property is a weapon. Those who control it dominate those who do not. This is as oppressive as any state. To call such a system “anarchism” is an insult to the countless workers and peasants who bled for the cause of true liberty.

Capitalist: But isn’t anarcho-capitalism just a freer form of society? Without a state to enforce laws or regulations, people could interact voluntarily, owning their property and competing in free markets. It’s decentralized and respects individual autonomy—just as anarchism advocates.

Makhno: You misunderstand anarchism entirely. It is not about the freedom of the rich to dominate the poor through so-called “voluntary” arrangements. It is about dismantling all forms of domination—be they economic, political, or social. Your free market would be a jungle where the strongest exploit the weakest, just as the tsar exploited my people. True anarchism is the collective ownership of land, resources, and production, ensuring no one can wield power over another.

Anarchist: Exactly. Anarcho-capitalism only replaces state oppression with corporate oppression. Under your system, those with wealth—often inherited or gained through conquest—would dictate the terms of “voluntary” interactions. That’s not freedom; it’s tyranny by another name.

Capitalist: But what about innovation and progress? Doesn’t capitalism, even without the state, create incentives for people to invent, produce, and improve society? Your vision of shared ownership sounds noble but risks stagnation without competition to drive progress.

Makhno: Progress for whom? For the wealthy few who benefit from exploitation, or for the many who struggle under it? Competition may create machines and factories, but mutual aid and cooperation create strong communities. In the Free Territory, we proved that collective ownership does not stifle innovation—it liberates it. People worked the land and defended their homes, not for profit, but for the survival and prosperity of all.

Capitalist: But didn’t your Free Territory ultimately fail? Doesn’t that suggest that anarchism, while idealistic, isn’t sustainable in practice?

Makhno: The Free Territory fell not because anarchism failed, but because it was crushed by external forces—first by the Whites, then by the Bolsheviks, who betrayed the revolution for their own centralized power. Anarchism is sustainable, but it requires constant vigilance and solidarity. Capitalism and state power will always seek to destroy true freedom because it threatens their control. That is why we must fight.

Anarchist: Well said, comrade Makhno. The fight is not just against the state or capitalism—it’s against the idea that domination and hierarchy are inevitable. Your legacy reminds us that anarchism is not just a dream but a living, breathing struggle for a better world.

Makhno: Exactly. Do not be fooled by systems that promise freedom but deliver only new masters. True anarchism means no masters, no slaves—only equals working together for the common good. That is the freedom worth fighting for.

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Summarize the thought of Mykhailo Drahomanov

Gemini advances said:

Mykhailo Drahomanov (1841-1895) was a prominent Ukrainian intellectual, historian, political theorist, and ethnographer. His thought is a rich tapestry weaving together threads of liberalism, socialism, and Ukrainian autonomism, all with a strong emphasis on ethical and federalist principles. Here’s a breakdown of his key ideas:

1. Ukrainian Autonomy and Federalism:

  • Drahomanov was a fervent advocate for Ukrainian autonomy within a larger federal structure. He believed this would allow Ukrainians to preserve their culture and language while benefiting from cooperation with other groups.
  • He envisioned a future where free and autonomous communities would federate based on shared interests and mutual agreement, rejecting centralized state control.

2. Ethical Socialism:

  • Drahomanov’s socialism was deeply rooted in ethical considerations. He criticized Marxist materialism and emphasized the importance of individual freedom and moral development.
  • He believed in a society where social and economic inequalities were minimized, not through violent revolution, but through education, cooperation, and gradual reforms.

3. Importance of Civil Liberties and Democracy:

  • Drahomanov was a staunch defender of civil liberties, including freedom of speech, press, and assembly. He saw these as essential for individual development and social progress.
  • He advocated for democratic governance, with power residing in the hands of the people and exercised through local self-government.

4. “Cosmopolitanism in the ideas and the ends, nationality in the ground and the forms”

  • This famous quote encapsulates Drahomanov’s belief in the importance of both universal human values and national identity. He saw no contradiction between the two, arguing that a strong sense of national identity could contribute to a richer and more diverse global community.

5. Education and Enlightenment:

  • Drahomanov placed great faith in the power of education to transform society. He believed that by fostering critical thinking and spreading knowledge, people could overcome ignorance and prejudice and work towards a better future.

Influence and Legacy:

  • Drahomanov’s ideas had a profound impact on the development of Ukrainian nationalism and the socialist movement in Ukraine.
  • His emphasis on federalism, autonomy, and civil liberties continues to resonate in contemporary Ukrainian politics.
  • He is remembered as a pioneering thinker who championed the rights of Ukrainians while promoting a vision of a just and equitable society for all.

Drahomanov’s thought offers a compelling alternative to both rigid nationalism and centralized socialism. His ideas remain relevant today, particularly in a world grappling with issues of national identity, social justice, and global cooperation.